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The war over web fonts
Panel discussion

Roger Black, Håkon Wium Lie, Thomas Phinney, Si Daniels, Bert Bos

Panel session A12 | Palace A
Saturday 20 September | 15:00 – 15:50

Theme Screen | Duration: 50 minutes

The typographer and Web designer’s dream of being able to use any font they want for Web page authoring is finally becoming a reality. Or is it? Why are there two competing approaches, and what does each one offer? What is their status in terms of standardization and implementation? Typography and Web publication guru Roger Black moderates presentations and discussions with promoter of native fonts on Web servers Håkon Lie (Opera) and proponents of the more protected EOT format (Si Daniels of Microsoft, Thomas Phinney of Adobe).

Speaker details

Roger Black

Principal The Font Bureau, Inc. | USA

Roger Black recently led redesigns of the Houston Chronicle, Popular Mechanics and the Los Angeles Times. He's a partner in The Font Bureau, Inc., which he started with David Berlow in 1989. And he runs the New York office of the publication consulting firm, Danilo Black, which he started the same year with Eduardo Danilo. Previously Black was chief art director of Newsweek, The New York Times, New York Magazine and Rolling Stone.

Håkon Wium Lie

CTO Opera Software | Norway

Håkon Wium Lie is the co-inventor of Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) for the Web, and the Chief Technology Officer for Opera, the Web browser. Two years ago he proposed using CSS to directly reference a font file on a Web server, and he has enthusiastically promoted the idea since then.

Thomas Phinney


Thomas Phinney is senior product manager for font solutions at Extensis. From 1997-2008 he worked in type at Adobe, lastly as product manager for fonts and global typography. Thomas is involved in the design, technical, forensic, business and historical aspects of type, treasurer of ATypI, and writes for Communication Arts and as well as He has testified in court as an expert witness, and was twice quoted in the Washington Post regarding the presumably forged National Guard memos concerning US President Bush. Thomas has an MS in printing from RIT, and an MBA from UC Berkeley. His typeface Hypatia Sans is an Adobe Original

Si Daniels

Lead Program Manager for Fonts Microsoft | USA

Si Daniels is a program manager in Microsoft’s typography group. He is a graduate of the typography and graphic communication program at The University of Reading in Berkshire, England. Si has responsibility over most of Microsoft’s western and middle-eastern typefaces, the Microsoft typography Web site (, and works with Microsoft’s diverse software, hardware and marketing groups on font related issues. He is a member of the ATypI Board. Si is one of the “bastards” referenced in his talk’s title. He has been working on web fonts, font embedding, font packaging and font redistribution issues for over twelve years. In the past two years, he has moderated or delivered talks on Web fonts at TypeCon, ATypI, and the first Business of Type conference.

Bert Bos

Style Activity Lead W3C | France

Bert Bos was researching graphical user interfaces at the University of Groningen when he became co-inventor (with Håkon Wium Lie) of Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) in 1994. He joined W3C in 1995 to develop CSS and to lead W3C's Internationalization activity. He has since participated in the standardization of HTML, XML and most recently MathML. He is currently charged by W3C to investigate font embedding technology for Web documents (HTML, SVG, XML, XSL...) and the possibility of standardizing one or more solutions. He has been interested in fonts ever since he published his PhD with a font he made himself.

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